I can tell you that despite Tairin's very modest website and social media presence though, their product is really good, and the owner does a lot engineering work for other hub and wheel companies - he's a pretty smart fella. I was actually supposed to have a video chat with Tairin last weekend to get a better look, but we didn't end up connecting. I do know that it does not run on a clutch now, unlike the earlier version that was designed around a roller clutch. Have you seen the new Tairin Mugen silent hub design? What are your thoughts? I am pretty dedicated to a silent instant engagement hub. The response from Onyx was less than stellar and I am now conflicted because I like the old Classics so much but the Vespers are leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I have the old threaded style ones and they are bomb proof. That's good to know about the Onyx Classics. Typically, you can crack open an Onyx hub a year or two into its life and it will still look like new - that has been my experience anyways. I have build many Onyx hubs, though many more Classic hubs as I prefer them to the Vespers, but I have never seen water ingress like that. Onyx tells me the underhead axles are stronger, however. This should not be the reason for the ingress of water, but I certainly preferred threaded myself because they were easier to adjust the preload on. Onyx Classic USED TO BE threaded, but now are friction. Most hubs - DT Swiss, Hope, I9 - endcaps and drivers are only held on by friction. The water would have to get through them first! I almost wonder if there was a faulty seal or insufficient grease (not the clutch grease) to keep contamination out? Were the hub bearings rusted out too? That would be a sure sign of pressure washing, and if they are good they don’t have any claim. Wow that looks terrible, I don’t know how that could happen on the aluminum portions of the hub! On the drive ring, clutch and outer ring are steel. What is good about Onyx is the concept, unfortunately the execution is shit. I take what a lot of people say on here with a pinch of salt, a lot of stuff often raved about I find to be total overpriced junk. ![]() Funny that, the 'weight weenie' wheels set is a shit load more durable, reliable and stays true. Switched to Carbon Ti hubs and carbon rims and I'm more than happy to sacrifice instant engagement and silence for a wheel set that weighs nearly 700 grams less and stays true after over a year without a hint of hub reliability issues and better spinning bearings. ![]() People raved about Onyx hubs and DT 511 rims at the time so I put the two together and ended up with a pair of boat anchors that had unreliable hubs and alloy rims that go out of true after a few months. Onyx suck, my old classics also seized to the axle due to corrosion, the sprag clutch became rubber band feeling after a few months, the rear hub weighed more than my front and rear carbon Ti hubs in total, the anodizing is really unsaturated etc etc. ![]() I am disappointed in Onyx to say the least and do not know whether to buy another classic hub or buy the new Tarrin Mugen silent hub? My current plan is to rebuild them and be meticulous not to wash the bike at all and see if the problem repeats but the issue of reliability is in my head. Sorry stuff gets wet and dirty and should be able to handle it.ģ) I have had the classic hubs and they are amazing 4 years running! Onyx customer service has also been amazing before.Ĥ) There are known issues with the hubs and I can't understand Onyx not reaching out a little more to satisfy a repeat (times 3!) customer with a new product. I submitted a warranty claim and Onyx told the shop to rebuild then and that the issue looked like I used a pressure washer.ġ) Sure I hose down the bike but on shower mode.Ģ) I live in the PNW, so its wet. For a "premium" hub that costs this much is horrendous performance and durability. The hubs were completely rusted and bearings needed replacing. Another 6 more slips and by the 15th ride I took them in. 10th ride was probably the first time the sprag clutch slipped and I thought it was just me. ![]() I rode the system 10-15 times before I took the bike in. I bought a pair of WR1 rims to Onyx Vesper hubs.
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